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Post by Dee on Jul 4, 2017 8:58:49 GMT 10
Hi Tom, i hear so much about too much red meat is bad and what it does to kidney etc. I understand the leanest meat has around 20% fat, i.e a human grade steak( I have access to this so I feed them steaks). So considering kibble is fed at 28% what is the issue with red meat- 1.5-2lbs red meat a day with some veg, fat, or small bit of kibble. It seems to me feeding raw meat is firstly natural and most of a canines diet but more importantly works out at less protein. In fact based on research where they recommend 24% at the ideal protein I would imagine the meat would be slightly lower.
im too confused
reason i I ask is I couldn't get a coat on dogs with kibble so I changed to 70% meat and they look a lot better, there 90% there and vet also told me dogs can't break down the wheat etc in kibble
would love your thoughts, thanks .
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Post by Tom Meulman on Jul 5, 2017 3:58:34 GMT 10
Hi Dee,
There is nothing wrong with your diet, and yes meat, beef that is, generally contains around 25 to 28% protein. The only thing you need to keep your eye on is that the diet also contains enough fats and carbs to satisfy most of the energy needs of the dog, and from what you have described that is being taken care of.
It's the quality of the meat that is being fed that is of more importance as well as what the rest of the diet consists of in avoiding kidney problems due to excessive amounts of the wrong type of protein being burned by the dog for energy. This is where feeding meat in combination with a high protein kibble/dry food can cause problems as the protein included in this type of dry food generally comes from offal and certainly not from lean beef.
Cheers, Tom
PS. There is nothing wrong with wholemeal bread as a source of carbs instead of a pre made dry food that may contain fillers and the wrong type of protein.
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Post by Dee on Jul 6, 2017 8:30:29 GMT 10
Thanks for the reply,
I can do wholemeal as I have plenty.
What fat would you recommend. I give some white fat cut from trimming along with olive and linseed oil. I assume the leanest meat would still contain 20% fat therefore it's only a top up of fat they need- I maybe wrong
To be honest based on the quality they get they should be shining so I still think there lacking something
Someone said a dull coat might be sign of lack of protein or maybe proper protein might be a better term as they reckon a dog coat uses about 30/40% of the protein daily and if there not getting enough the coat suffer as protein will firstly be used for the rest of his body
I'm always told it's lack of iron but after testing numerous dogs they never lacked iron over the years
Thanks
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Post by Tom Meulman on Jul 7, 2017 5:29:05 GMT 10
Hi Dee,
i believe that with the amount of meat you are feeding the protein requirements of the hair are being taken care of. However because the fat in the diet is also an important source of energy if the meat is very lean, and the complex carbohydrates of the diet are low, adding additional fats to the diet becomes more important.
From my early research I found that in fact chicken fat was best, with lard second best and beef fat running third in the fat nutritional stakes. For ease of supply in most instances the addition of one tablespoon of lard to the daily diet will take care of the fat requirements when a real lean meat is being fed, and should also provide sufficient fatty acids to improve the coat condition.
Cheers, Tom
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