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Post by darren on Jun 17, 2014 22:58:08 GMT 10
Hi Tom my name is Darren and I have decided to take up training as a hobby . I have had my greyhound at home for three months. For the last two months I have been slipping the dog behind the drag lure twice a week. In the last month I have trialled the dog once a week. From the first trial to the last trial the dog has lost about two lengths. I wasn't happy so I took the dog to the vet to get a blood test and to check the dog for any injuries. The dog has no injuries and the blood test reads as this PCV-53,WHITE CELLS-4600 RED CELLS-8.03,HAEMOGLOBIN 18.6,MCV66,PLATELETS-125,NEUTROPHILS-3200,LYMPHOCYTES-1200,MONOCYTES-200,RATIO2.7. I feed my 28kg dog 520grams of human consumption meat, 4ml of cod liver oil,4ml stockgain,teaspoon of dcp, drop of apple cider vinegar,vitamenE and ironcly alternating days and 200gr of winning edge kibble.In the morning two slices of wholemeal bread with vegemite with full cream powder milk. Tom after every trial the dog gets 2ml of coforta injection and a shot of iron once a week. I don't understand why the pvc is low. The vet explained to me it could be because the dog does not chase hard enough when it trials to produce more cells but it grabs on hard at the arm trial.Can you please help me with any suggestion, and is it possible that the reason for the low pvc is because the dog is not chasing hard enough and what can I do to increase its pvc.THANK YOU.
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Post by Tom Meulman on Jun 19, 2014 19:20:00 GMT 10
Hi Darren,
First of all we need to divide the situation into separate items to make it easier to try and find either solutions or other avenues of finding out exactly why the blood count is what it is.
I for one do not believe for one moment that the blood count is low because the dog is not chasing hard enough. This type of mistaken belief by some people comes about because as greyhounds work extremely hard they tend to stress, and this causes varying degrees of dehydration which unfortunately is not noted, and then the blood count (htc / pcv) is higher when next checked. So instead of treating the greyhound for dehydration it is declared spot on with the assumption being made that the hard work has improved the blood count.
There has to be a medical reason for the lower blood count, and unfortunately the limited blood profile you had done does not provide enough information about the greyhounds true health. For instance there is no info about liver or kidney function, nor is there any information about enzymes that are released as a result of muscle function.
So to get a better look at the state of the greyhounds health you need a full racing blood profile done, but unfortunately they do not come cheap.
The next item is the statement that the greyhounds has no injuries of any sort. Again I find it hard to comprehend that any greyhound running behind a drag lure twice a week for a couple of months would not sustain any injuries at all. Then coupled with the fact that the greyhound has had at least 4 trails behind a lure on a race style track, has lost speed during this time and still has no injuries.
My advice at this stage with the information you have provided is to go and see another specialist greyhound Vet, have a full blood profile done, and the greyhound rechecked for injuries.
Cheers, Tom
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Post by darren on Jun 19, 2014 20:31:10 GMT 10
Thank you for your time Tom I will get a full blood test done and I will post the results so you can see them.
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Post by darren on Jun 19, 2014 20:37:07 GMT 10
Tom can you recommend any person to check the dog for injuries as I am only new to the sport I don't know to many people in the industry thank you.
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Post by Tom Meulman on Jun 21, 2014 7:07:25 GMT 10
Hi Darren,
Sorry mate,but I'm unable to recommend anyone.
Cheers, Tom
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Post by DARREN on Jun 23, 2014 17:26:28 GMT 10
Hi tom took my bitch to the vet and had her checked,i was told apart for tightness in the hamstrings she was fine.I also got a full blood test done and these are the results. HAEMATOLOGY RED CELL COUNT 7.55 HAEMOGLOBIN 192 HCT 0.56 MCV 74 MCH 26.0 MCHC 346
W.C.C. % 6.7 NEUTRO 76 5.1 LYMPH 16 1.1 MONO 8 0.5 EOSIN 0 0.0 BASO 0 0.0
BIOCHEMISTRY ALK.PHOSPH 46 ALT 49 AST (SGOT) 47 CK 272 TOTOL PROTEIN 53 ALBUMIN 32 GLOBULINS 21 PHOSPHATE 1.14 SODIUM 147 POTASSIUM 4.8 CHLORIDE 114 BICARBONATE 30 ANION GAP 8 CALCIUM 2.24 GLUCOSE 4.5 CHOLESTEROL 2.6 UREA 7.3 MAGNESIUM 0.8 CREATININE 119 BILI.TOTAL 2 TOTAL T4 6.6
SERUM INDICES (CLEAR/+/++/+++/++++) ICTERUS INDEX CLEAR LIPAEMIA INDEX CLEAR HAEMOLYSIS INDEX +
Tom i was told apart from a slight infection she was fine. Can you please tell me what to do to get her completely healthy again.THANK YOU
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Post by Tom Meulman on Jun 24, 2014 7:34:07 GMT 10
Hi Darren, I will get around to having a good look at the results as soon as possible, but unfortunately I'm absolutely snowed under at the moment. In the between time you could certainly have a look at the Blood Profile Interpretation post and compare results. This will also help in familiarising you with the various components of a blood profile. This is something you really need to know, as well as learning to check your greyhound for injuries if you intent to become proficient at training greyhounds. Mainly because sooner or later you will realise that those who are suppose to be or profess to be "experts" in many instances are not, and therefore cannot be relied on indefinitely. Cheers, Tom lGuide to Interpreting Analytical Blood Profiles
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Post by darren on Jun 24, 2014 8:54:49 GMT 10
Thanks Tom and I will look at Blood Profile Interpretation and compare.Tom can I please have your contact number to talk over the phone.
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Post by darren on Jul 20, 2014 23:59:21 GMT 10
Hi Tom just wondering if you had time to look at the test results thank you
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Post by Tom Meulman on Jul 21, 2014 10:24:06 GMT 10
Hi Darren,
Red Cell Count ........ 7.55 - too low - indicates low level anaemia Haemoglobin ........... 192 - too low - indicates low level anaemia HCT ................... 0.56 - too low - indicates low level anaemia
Keep in mind when looking at a blood profile that indicates a problem with anaemia, and the greyhound is on a good diet with a sufficient iron intake, that it is the EPO produced by the kidneys that is the primary stimulant for new red blood cel production. If for some reason the kidneys are under stress, such as a low grade infection, this does affect red blood cell count.
MCV .................... 74 - on the high side of the preferred level - indicates Folic Acid/B12 deficiency MCH .................... 26.0 - fraction high - indicates that iron intake is good but low in Folic Acid/B12. MCHC ................... 34.6 - on the low end of the scale and because MCH is a fraction high it may indicate a low grade infection in the liver or kidneys.
WCC .................... 6.7 - on the high side and may indicate an infection. Neutrophils ............ 5.1 - too high and indicates a bacterial infection. Lymphocytes ............ 1.1 - out of balance with Neutrophils and confirms a bacterial infection. Monocytes .............. 0.5 - on the high side of the preferred level and confirms an infection. Eosinophils ............ 0.0 - good - indicates that there are no allergic reactions or worm problems. Basophils .............. 0.0 - OK
Alk Phos ............... 46 - OK ALT .................... 49 - while within acceptable levels I would have preferred this at the lower end of the range and may indicate ongoing low level liver damage. Keep in mind that low level liver damage may occur as a result of a greyhound with anaemia undergoing strenuous exercise. AST .................... 47 - too high and found in various organs such as the liver, kidneys, heart, and muscle tissue, and is released into the blood if damage occurs in any of those areas. CK ..................... 227 - within the preferred range but at the higher end, and therefore does indicate that there is some muscle damage.
Total Protein .......... 53 - OK Albumin ................ 32 - on the high end of the scale and my indicate slight dehydration. Globulins .............. 21 - lower than preferred and may indicate the immune system is not as robust as it should be and may require a treatment to boost immune function.
Phosphate .............. 1.14 - OK Sodium ................. 147 - OK Potassium .............. 4.8 - OK Chloride ............... 114 - fraction high - but not enough to cause concerns. Bicarbonate ............ 30 - fraction high - but not enough to cause concerns. Anion Gap .............. 8 - Calcium ................ 2.24 - fraction low and indicates an increase in dietary calcium is required.
Glucose ................ 4.5 - on the low end of the scale and may indicate that an increase in carbohydrate/fat in the diet is required. Cholesterol ............ 2.6 - too low and indicates not enough animal fat in the diet.
Urea ................... 7.3 - OK Magnesium .............. 0.8 - at the low end of the range and a slight increase in dietary magnesium is indicated. Creatinine ............. 119 - OK Bilirubin .............. 2 - OK Total T4 ............... 6.6 - OK
Basic conclusions are that the greyhound would benefit from a 7 day course of broad spectrum antibiotics. Requires a course of Folic/B12 and B complex injections. Requires an increase of animal fat in the diet as it would appear that the current meat portion of the diet is too lean. Would benefit from a treatment to stimulate immune system function, and an increase of magnesium in the diet.
Cheers, Tom
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Post by darren on Jul 21, 2014 22:45:20 GMT 10
Thank you for your time tom what do you mean by would benefit from a treatment to stimulate immune system function.
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Post by Tom Meulman on Jul 22, 2014 4:18:31 GMT 10
Hi. Darren,
Have a thorough read of the Guide to Interpreting Analytical Blood Profiles I posted, as it lists a treatment for a depressed immune system.
Cheers, Tom
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Post by darren on Apr 16, 2015 11:31:58 GMT 10
Hi tom I have a dog that is anaemic the pvc is 50 and the haemoglobin 16.4 and it has no infection ,iam treating the dog with hippiron ,b complex,b 12,pholic acid can you please tell me if I can still trial and race the dog while im treating it and are the tonics im using correct to increase the pvc and haemoglobin THANK YOU. is their something stronger I can use to build the dogs blood.
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Post by Tom Meulman on Apr 16, 2015 19:45:28 GMT 10
Hi tom I have a dog that is anaemic the pvc is 50 and the haemoglobin 16.4 and it has no infection ,iam treating the dog with hippiron ,b complex,b 12,pholic acid can you please tell me if I can still trial and race the dog while im treating it and are the tonics im using correct to increase the pvc and haemoglobin THANK YOU. is their something stronger I can use to build the dogs blood. Sorry mate but I am at a loss as to what to suggest. I find it difficult to understand just how a greyhound can get so severely anaemic without some severe cause. There may not be an infection but something has caused such severe anaemia and the reason for this happening should be found and sorted. The treatment will help by providing the ingredient necessary to build the blood back up but I would not be racing this greyhound until the blood was back to at least 58%, and it takes 21 days for a red blood cell to mature so be prepared to give the dog possibly as long as a four week spell after completing the blood boosting treatment before the anaemia is likely to come good. Cheers, Tom
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Post by George on Apr 19, 2015 0:44:17 GMT 10
Tom have a dog here was running 18.70 after breakin (good time) now running 19.10. Its her run home times that shes down on. No serious injuries. has been checked by 3 'good" muscle men but same thing no injuries. Shes fit. Worm free. Done every 6 weeks with panacur then 6 weeks later woth drontal. No tonsillitis or anything like that Next step is a blood test but I was just wondering can a dog look really well but still have a blood problem? I have had compliments saying she looks a million dollars. Shes lost almost half a second an im quite lost as to what it can be.
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Post by Tom Meulman on Apr 19, 2015 15:13:48 GMT 10
Tom have a dog here was running 18.70 after breakin (good time) now running 19.10. Its her run home times that shes down on. No serious injuries. has been checked by 3 'good" muscle men but same thing no injuries. Shes fit. Worm free. Done every 6 weeks with panacur then 6 weeks later woth drontal. No tonsillitis or anything like that Next step is a blood test but I was just wondering can a dog look really well but still have a blood problem? I have had compliments saying she looks a million dollars. Shes lost almost half a second an im quite lost as to what it can be. Hi George, Mate we both know that there is no way a greyhound can lose time from breaking-in to getting ready to race unless it either has an undiagnosed injury, or an illness. Now when a greyhound looks well and healthy it is unlikely that it is suffering an illness severe enough to lose lengths, but unfortunately having a blood profile done is the only way you can be absolutely certain. If however the blood test shows no anaemia or infection you will have to accept that there is an undiagnosed injury. Let me know how you go as I am interested to find out as to what is causing the loss of speed. Cheers, Tom
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Post by Rob on Apr 25, 2015 10:09:34 GMT 10
Hi Tom, one of my dogs let out a yelp while feeding him and seem to be in a little pain, this morning he is walking and jogging ok but not sprinting around his paddock like he usually does, cannot take him to the vet because they are closed due to it being Anzac Day so I wont be able to get him there till Monday, The water in his food was cold would this cause a problem?
Thanks Rob.
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Post by Tom Meulman on Apr 25, 2015 15:23:04 GMT 10
Hi Tom, one of my dogs let out a yelp while feeding him and seem to be in a little pain, this morning he is walking and jogging ok but not sprinting around his paddock like he usually does, cannot take him to the vet because they are closed due to it being Anzac Day so I wont be able to get him there till Monday, The water in his food was cold would this cause a problem? Thanks Rob. Hi Rob, While it is unlikely, first of all check and make sure the dogs belly isn't blown up as in bloat. If it is get him to a Vet as a matter of extreme urgency as this is an indication of a twisted bowl, and unfortunately if this is not relieved immediately there is every chance of losing the dog. This can occur for a number of reasons mostly due to falling or suddenly twisting and loosing balance, but it may on a rare occasion be due to a greyhound scoffing it's food, particularly if it is a large quantity, and dry instead of moist. As far as other reasons for a greyhound to yelp during or after eating this is still generally associated with a the way they tend to inhale their food instead of eating it slowly, as this can cause a painful spasm in the muscles surrounding the stomach. If there are no further after effects don't worry about it just ensure that the dogs food is moist or even sloppy from here on in as the extra fluid does no harm and it does force them to eat a little slower rather than just taking large mouthfuls and chucking it down. Cheers, Tom
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Post by Rob on Apr 25, 2015 15:59:57 GMT 10
Thanks Tom, He does seem better this afternoon and there is no noticeable swelling in his belly, so I will monitor him closely over the weekend.
Thanks Tom you have been a great help.
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Post by Rookie on Sept 20, 2015 12:51:58 GMT 10
GDAY Tom, i have my first greyhound (3 year old 30kg dog) with another to come soon (17 month old 28kg bitch) To say my head is spinning is an understatement trying to sort out what is best. Feeding and exercise is fine. I have been researching supplements and recovery. interesting articles from ....FEEDING THE RACING GREYHOUND : Dr. Alex Hauler in particular to iron and b 12....throw in the cobalt issue now....Would Dr hauler's study be seen as dated now? throw in articles by John Kohnke which appear scientific however i am unable to gauge a direction There is always the debate with supplements, are they a marketing ploy? do they really assist? Recovery electrolytes, is the diet sufficient. so do we feed potassium, vitamin c, magnesium, calcium and so on .... with vit c some study show no RACE assistance but is there a day to day assistance. As an athlete i was big on milk as recovery and water !!!! Soooooooo before i go and purchase all the wrong stuff i need direction from a calm knowledgeable person Rookie
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