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Post by padraig on Oct 31, 2011 5:20:55 GMT 10
hi tom,
i've recently bought a bottle of vitamins/minerals injection...can i ask what your opinions on injectables i know company's are doing there best to sell there products etc..but do they have real impact..i have also bought a bottle of b12 folic acid injectable aswell..and a bottle of phosporous 12 whats your opinions on these
many thanks tom padraig
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Post by Tom Meulman on Oct 31, 2011 15:26:07 GMT 10
Hi padraig,
The B12/Folic acid injection is certainly worthwhile if you have a greyhound that suffers from a low Red Blood Cell count as a weekly injection of 2 ml will assist in maintaining that at a higher level. In combination with iron injections B12/Folic acid injections are also required for treating anaemia.
In regard to the Phosphorous injection this can be a slight benefit in giving a racing greyhound a little bit more energy, as this injection helps the body to manufacture Adenosine Triphosphate which is the energy ingredient used by muscle tissue. This product is normally injected under the skin low on the neck the night before racing to obtain the best benefit.
Cheers, Tom
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Post by padraig on Nov 1, 2011 8:50:04 GMT 10
many thanks tom..good advice..i also got a bottle of kynoselen and super tie up not sure how to use them...some people use it 2 weeks before a race and inject 2mls every 2 to 3 days,,,up to rac e day...i'm not sure...
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Post by padraig on Nov 1, 2011 8:53:19 GMT 10
in addition to most injections i also bought a bottle of gleptosil iron what way would or would you use it and whats your thoughts on it...
many thanks Tom
padraig
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Post by Tom Meulman on Nov 2, 2011 5:31:13 GMT 10
Hi padraig, Firstly the Gleptosil is primarily used to treat anaemia due to iron deficiencies and then usually in combination with B12/Folic acid. The use of these products really depends upon the blood count of the greyhound in training. While it is important to try and maintain the Haematocrit in around the 58 to 62%, it’s not a good idea to increase it much above 62% as this will only make the blood too thick and make it harder for the heart to pump it efficiently throughout the muscle tissue. To get a better idea as to when to use iron injections have a read through the Guide to Interpreting Analytical Blood Profiles. The Kynoselen and the Tridenosen Tie Up injections are very similar, and are used for similar purposes; that is to improve blood flow throughout the body, and increase energy levels. The main difference between the two is that the Kynoselen contains Heptaminol which is a mental stimulant and in Australia at least would result in a positive swab, loss of stake money, and and appearance before the racing stewards. Because I do not like injecting anything in the muscle tissue close to a race due to the fact that this could lead to pain in the muscle where the substance has been injected, and because I have personally found that both products can cause pain in some greyhounds when injected under the skin, my personal preference in using either of these two products would be to inject 5 ml, that is 2-1/2 ml of Tridenosen Tie Up in each back leg 48 hours prior to racing. The Kynoselen because of it containing Heptaminol is then best used to improve recovery after a race, by again injecting 2-1/2 ml in each back leg as soon as the dog is back in the home kennels. Cheers, Tom
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Post by padraig on Nov 2, 2011 23:42:43 GMT 10
Hi tom many thanks for your excellent replies... I just got a blood test done on one of my greyhounds and it looks ok to me except for the WBC which reads 6.97% is this an infection because its high...the bllod test results is as follows
RBC 8.80 X 10^12/L HCT 62.4% HGB 19.9 G/DL MCV 71.0FL MCH 22.6PG MCHC 31.9G/DL RDW 16.1% RETIC 0.5% WBC 6.97 X 10^9/L %NEU 55.1% %LYM 21.1% %MONO 5.7% %EOS 17.9% %BASO 0.2% NEU 3.85 X 10^9/L LYM 1.47 X 10^9L MONO 0.39 EOS 1.25 BASO 0.01 PLT 390K MPV 9.7FL PDW 16.8% PCT 0.38%
MANY THANKS TOM
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Post by Tom Meulman on Nov 3, 2011 4:11:37 GMT 10
Hi padraig,
Just having a quick glance at the blood test, it does look like the Hb and the MCHC are both at the lower end of the scale and that does indicate that the greyhound would benefit from iron injections.
In regard to the white cell count; you are right while not severe it is higher than preferred, and indicates the need for a course of antibiotics.
Cheers, Tom
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Post by padraig on Nov 3, 2011 8:14:00 GMT 10
fairplay to you tom for having a quick look at the results.i have started him out on a coarse of antbioctics synulox 250mg twice daily...he seems in great form the dog so can't be too much having said that I wormed him out 2 weeks ago with ivomec and drontal so maybe he picked up a slight infection from that plus maybe he may have had a touch of anemia so i will give him a shot of gleptosil how many mls would you suggest or is the folic acid b12 a better tonic?...
many thanks for your time tom you are a godsend to me Padraig
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Post by Tom Meulman on Nov 3, 2011 14:51:04 GMT 10
Hi padraig,
To treat the slight anaemia that dog has 1 ml of iron plus 2 ml of B12/Folic twice a week for two weeks should see that cleared up. Give the two lots of injections three days apart, and if possible at least two clear days before racing.
Keep in mind that it takes 28 days for a red blood cell to mature, so don’t be disappointed if you tested his blood after the second week of injections and find it has not improved a great deal, as it does take time for the blood to come good.
Cheers, Tom
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Post by padraig on Nov 4, 2011 5:15:14 GMT 10
hi tom can i give the iron injection and the b12 folic acid one after the other at the same time or does it become toxic if given together..?..I also got another dog blood tested today just to make sure i think from looking at it if you get a chance have a quick look many thanks
rbc 8.66 hct 62.8 hgb 21.3 mcv 72.5fl mch 24.6 mchc 33.9 rdw 15.7 retic% 0.3% retic 25.5 wbc 4.57 neu 65.6 lym 19.6 mono 8.7 eos 5.7 baso 0.4 neu 3.00 lym 0.90 mono 0.40 eos 0.26 baso 0.02 plt 255k/ul mpv 9.2fl pdw 17.3 pct 0.24 many thanks again tom
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Post by Tom Meulman on Nov 4, 2011 11:58:23 GMT 10
Hi padraig,
There are no problems with injecting iron and B12/Folic at the same time in different muscles.
In regard to blood profile interpretation, I’m sorry mate but to do a thorough examination of a blood profile is in most instances extremely time consuming.
Unfortunately in the past I had so many requests to do these that it became a problem to me, and that is why I posted the Guide to Interpreting Analytical Blood Profiles so that most people could do these themselves and in the process get a better understanding of what it all means.
Cheers, Tom
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Post by padraig on Nov 4, 2011 19:09:06 GMT 10
hi tom,
ok i understand but I'm just learning the game myself and getting a better picture day by day about bloods..
many thanks for your help anyway. Padraig
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