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Post by Riana on Mar 11, 2011 21:52:06 GMT 10
Hi Tom what do you think about oral carnitine for greyhounds is it good for performance? I read a stud about oral carnitine for greyhounds and the dose used was 100mg/kg is it correct? So a dog with 30kg must to have 3000mg carnitine daily is it correct? Can i use it every day or we must to stop give for some time?
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Post by Tom Meulman on Mar 12, 2011 11:08:12 GMT 10
Hi Riana,
L-Carnitine is an excellent product and certainly worthwhile as an additive to most diets.
The amino acid Carnitine (it is similar in structure to an amino acid) is available in good quantities when a fresh red meat diet is provided, but supplementation becomes more important for greyhounds that are on a complete meal dry food diet, or are being fed mainly poultry.
To the best of my knowledge 100 mg per 10 kg is quite sufficient as a supplement, and at that dose rate there would be no need to stop the supplementation.
In certain cases increasing the Carnitine supplementation for 14 days to 100 mg per 1 kg can be beneficial, particularly for greyhounds suffering anaemia while other measures to treat the anaemia such as iron, folic acid, B12 and B complex are given.
Cheers, Tom
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Post by paul on Mar 16, 2011 8:14:31 GMT 10
hi tom,
in your opinion what would be the best pre-race boost you would give a dog in order to get him fired up...
cheers paul
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Post by Tom Meulman on Mar 16, 2011 11:16:03 GMT 10
hi tom, in your opinion what would be the best pre-race boost you would give a dog in order to get him fired up... cheers paul Fired up? Every dog is different in that department! To maximise energy levels and reduce stress: Tridenosen 2-1/2 ml in each back leg 24 hours prior to racing, or 5 ml very slow IV if you are competend in administering IV injections. Cheers, Tom Tridenosen
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Post by Riana on Mar 16, 2011 19:49:12 GMT 10
Hi Tom, did you know a product called Duphalyte is it good for dogs? what dosage for greyhounds
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Post by Tom Meulman on Mar 16, 2011 21:27:31 GMT 10
Hi Riana, While I have no personal experience with Duphalyte, looking at the ingredients and the fact that it needs to be injected IV, makes me believe that it is mainly designed as an emergency treatment for severely dehydrated and ill animals. All of the ingredients such as the vitamins, amino aids, and the calcium, magnesium, potassium, and sodium should be in the normal diet of the greyhound, and therefore injecting this product has only a limited use in a healthy greyhound. If it was to be used as an aid in recovery it would be best given over the tongue, 20 ml prior to kenneling or after a hard run 100 ml in a drink. However the cost of the product does not justify its use in such a manner, as there are more cost effective ways of obtaining the same outcome. Cheers, Tom DUPHALYTE
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Post by Riana on Mar 17, 2011 19:55:03 GMT 10
Hi Tom, Thanks alot for your advices and help. Could you please tell me if a supplemention with Amino-acids(bcaa's) for a dog that have a meal kiblle/meat(chiken,beef) could be good for better performance or no and about white E. My dogs are coursing dogs they run several times at same day can you help me with best methods for recover from run to run (electrolytes, put pads in fresh water ,put water on chest and head etc)and the best for do after a day race for best recover for next week. Thanks very much
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Post by Tom Meulman on Mar 20, 2011 7:31:03 GMT 10
Hi Riana, Sorry about the delay in answering your questions. As far as adding a supplement with additional amino acids to the diet is concerned, they would only be of benefit if the diet was lacking in essential amino acids, and it is highly unlikely that this would be the case in the diet that you are feeding. There is some evidence from clinical studies that certain amino acids such as arginine, histidine, lysine, methionine, ornithine, and phenylalanine have anabolic effects by stimulating the release of growth hormone, insulin, and/or glucocorticoids, but there is no evidence that supplementation with these amino acids actually improves performance. Most studies do show that creatine supplementation may be an effective way to enhance performance of intermittent high-intensity exercise such as coursing. Unfortunately some greyhounds suffer from an upset stomach if a creatine supplement is given without additional food, however it may be worthwhile if added to the race day breakfast. CREATINEAs far as Vitamin E is concerned personally I have found little or no benefit from adding White E to the diet of racing greyhounds, (except for brood bitches) however Vitamin E is an essential part of the diet and therefore adding White E to a poorly structured diet may be of benefit. I did spend some years coursing greyhounds, and my normal routine included cooling the feet and wrists after each course by standing them in a dish of cold water for two minutes, treating any damage, particularly around the nail beds, and drying them well. Then providing a drink with a small amount of electrolytes, protein and carbs, I used to use Endura magnesium rehydration formula, and vanilla flavoured Sustagen. The most important thing I found was to keep the dog warm and ensure that it rested well between courses. Then prior to the next run I would empty the dog, give the main muscle groups a stretching massage, including wrist and hock ligaments, and some gentle stretches to the limbs, and then walk the dog for five or ten minutes untill the next course. To improve recovery for the next race meeting I have found definite benefit from injecting the dog with 2-1/2 ml of Tridenosen in each back leg after providing the dog with the evening meal and allowing them to settle down. Cheers, Tom
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Post by Riana on Mar 23, 2011 22:07:54 GMT 10
Hi Tom can you please send me a email i need to talk with you. Thanks
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Post by Riana on Mar 24, 2011 3:26:46 GMT 10
Hi Tom can you please send me a email i need to talk with you. Thanks sorry my mail is joaquimbagunte@iol.pt
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Post by Riana on Mar 30, 2011 8:10:23 GMT 10
Hi Tom i have sent you a mail. Thanks
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Post by Wes Mincey on Feb 24, 2012 11:52:00 GMT 10
Hi Tom, im a competetive foxhound field trialer. Was wondering if you could give me a few tips on how to use tridenasone. When at a field trial my dogs run for 3 days, 5 to 6 hours a day. They average 30 to 35 miles running each day. After i catch them up each day, what would you reccomend giving them and how? These dogs take a real beating in 3 days, so thy need all the help they can get. Also, what other meds would you reccomend giving them before and after each day of running to help their performance?
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Post by Tom Meulman on Feb 25, 2012 7:05:04 GMT 10
Hi Wes,
That is certainly a lot of hard work for any dog, and at the end of the three days I can imagine just how much stress their body would have gone through.
Because with foxhounds it’s all about endurance, and fast recovery after each day’s work you are limited to a certain extent as to how much you can do to assist their performance.
Because its endurance rather than fast sprints it involves primarely slow twitch muscle fibre, and the main source of energy for slow twitch muscle fibre is fatty acids. Therefore a diet high in fat, particularly chicken fat, is important.
To improve the breakdown of fatty acids into usable energy, L-Carnitine added to the diet is also of some benefit.
Because the main component required for the efficient use of fat for energy is oxygen, making sure that the blood counts of red blood cells and haemoglobin are at their peak levels is essential. So in the weeks leading up to the competition, supplementation with iron, folic acid, and B12 can also be beneficial.
While I’m sure that you have your own proven receipt for feeding during competition, the addition of fatty chicken broth would assist in both replacing fatty acids lost, and in providing additional liquid for rehydration.
In regard to improving recovery after each day, the only thing I have found of real benefit is an injection of Tridenosen as soon as possible after competition, for a foxhound 2 ml should be sufficient.
Sorry I can’t be more of a help, but unfortunately my personal experience with endurance athletes is limited.
Cheers, Tom
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Post by zig zag on Apr 24, 2016 4:06:24 GMT 10
could you put me on some good liquid lcarnitine for working dogs
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Post by Tom Meulman on Apr 24, 2016 20:17:34 GMT 10
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Post by Ahmed on Nov 21, 2018 5:52:08 GMT 10
Hii Tom Hope your doing well Since l carnitine breaks down fats into energy Should I add anything to my dogs diets that will Maintain there body fat as long as I’m using carnitine ??
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Post by Tom Meulman on Nov 21, 2018 8:05:06 GMT 10
Hi Ahmed,
I have found the addition of chicken fat, particularly if it’s added as chicken broth to moisten the diet be a worthwhile source of fatty acids. If this is not readily available a level table spoon of any type of animal fat would be of benefit unless of course you are feeding very fatty meat as part of the normal diet.
Cheers, Tom
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Post by Ahmed on Nov 21, 2018 21:24:20 GMT 10
Thanks a lot sir
Cheers from the Middle East
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