ferocyll and jurocyll

Hi Bill,

The product are similar to the extent that they both contain a form of arsenic, however they differ in the type of arsenic used.

Jurocyl basiccally contains a reasonably safe form of arsenic that can be injected, while Ferocyl contains both an injectable form of arsenic, and an injectable form of iron as well as copper, and is therefore more effective at stimulating an increase in red blood cells.

Actually Ferocyl is a rather clever formulation, in that the very effective arsenic used is Sodium Cacodylate, however this is a poisiones arsenic, and the antidote for that poison is in fact ferric chloride (iron). By using a formulation that places both the poison and the antidote in the same injection, the interaction between the two makes both compounds function more effectively.

......... And yes unfortunately both Ferocyl and Jurocyl are rated a considerable positive swab risk.

Cheers,
Tom

Hi Bill,

Just 1 ml 4 days prior to racing is unlikely to cause a positive swab. Unfortunately 1 ml 4 days prior is virtually going to have no effect at all on the greyhounds chasing keenness.

From personal experience I can say that depending on the effect on an individual greyhound it would require 2 ml subcutaneous the night before to have any noticeable effect. But then used in this manner you would pretty well guarantee a positive swab.

So as far as I’m concerned Jurocyl is of very little use as it cannot be used effectively without major consequences, and while Ferocyl is excellent for treating anaemia and boosting red cell production, again the required withholding time stops it from being of any assistance prior to racing.

I’m sorry Bill but it’s back to the drawing board and looking at other methods to increase the greyhounds chasing keenness.
In this regard teasing with fluffy squeaky toys that you won’t quite let them have can be helpful, particularly with the toy on the opposite side of the mesh fence to the dog and flicked back and forward quickly, and then walked away with while dragging it on the ground with the dog watching. Repeated at least daily for three or more days, and then showing them the toy again just prior to kenneling in the trailer or back of the car can also be of some assistance providing you have made them pretty keen to grab it off you.

Cheers,
Tom

While this article is near enough to ten year old, it is still worth a read as current swabbing methods that test for specific levels of male hormones just about ends the ability to use gonadotrophic releasing hormone such as Fertagyl without copping a positive swab.

Greyhounds Move to Close the Door on Drug Cheats

Fertagyl is a naturally occurring hormone stimulant, and when administered to male greyhounds it temporarily increased the level of Testosterone in the body. This then had the same effects as administering artificial Testosterone without the risk of the artificial hormone being detected in a swab. However the setting of permissible maximum hormone levels, and the assaying of hormone levels in a swab has made the use of such drugs easily detectable.

Cheers,
Tom

sorry tom forgot to mention are ever going to come back to Victoria and while your here maybe check some dogs for a little extra earn

Hi Bill,

We do travel back to Victoria every year usually during the summer months as part of our continuous around Aus journey with stops around the Berwick/Beaconsfield and Warrnambool areas to visit friends.

While I’m still able to check for and diagnose injuries and related problems, at close to 75 years of age my physical condition is no longer sound enough to be able to do the required adjustments and sort them out thoroughly to where I’m happy with the results, without causing myself a fair amount of pain for at least two days or more.

So I’m sorry mate but I’m definitely retired.

Cheers,
Tom

tom actually rang up nature vet through sandown vet and both products are no longer made so what do you think will be the eqeivelant to these products and tom the ones for sale on the net are normally close to the expiry date

Hi Bill,

For a lot of years my great joy in life was to be able to physically work on the alignment problems of racing greyhounds that in turn caused so many other injuries, and to know that I really made a difference to how they felt
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To see them fully shake out, and in many instances just about try and climb on my lap looking for a cuddle, and yes it upset me badly when I realised I was no longer physically capable of doing so.

Just finding the problems is not enough, as pain in various areas and difficulties in stretching out fully and maintaining balance while driving around a turn is so closely bound to comfortably body alignment and clear nerve supply to the muscle tissue.

Those people just rotating a greyhounds spine and then believing they have solved alignment/nerve supply problems are idiots and should not be allowed to touch a dog.

While I still desperately miss running my hands over a racing greyhound and having much of their health and injury history there for me to read, after four years I’m just about over the withdrawals and while earning some extra dollars would be handy I just can’t go back down that road again.

Sorry mate, I am retired.

Cheers,
Tom

hi tom next time your in Melbourne would you be interested in some private lessons in teaching muscle detection more than happy to pay for some lessons

hi tom hope all is well can you please tell me if their is anything in tripart that will return a positive and if so how many days should I give 3ml before a race and be safe from returning a positive thanks