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Post by TAS on Sept 7, 2014 19:13:51 GMT 10
hi tom can you please tell me where I can purchase tridenosen I tried horse meds online but they don't sell to Australia. thank you
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Post by Tom Meulman on Sept 8, 2014 6:43:32 GMT 10
Hi TAS,
In most states of Australia it is a vet only product, and therefore you may have to check with your vet to see if they have it in stock or are able to order it in for you.
Cheers,
Tom
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Post by Donna on Sept 17, 2014 21:51:40 GMT 10
Hi tom , I am using Tridenosen and Foliphos . How often can you use tridenosen and can I use John Konknes sprinter with these two products ..Thanks for all your help
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Post by Tom Meulman on Sept 19, 2014 7:12:05 GMT 10
Hi Donna,
There is nothing in either Tridenosen or Foliphos that is going to interfere with anything else you may be likely to use.
In regard to how often these products may be used; because Tridenosen is primarily an intramuscular product for most users the muscle damage done by repeated injections is the limiting factor, not what you are injecting. Therefore I would limit the use of any product that is injected into the muscle tissue to when it is really needed.
Cheers,
Tom
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Post by Donna on Sept 28, 2014 3:10:15 GMT 10
Hi Tom ... Can you give Tripart 2ml into each back leg 48 hrs before race then Foliphos 2 ml into each back leg 24 hours before race?  Post race when back in kennel do I give 3 ml into back of neck??? And also use 40 ml Vytrate mix into 250 ml milk & 250 ml of water.... Can u use Vytrate after each race and gallop on a weekly basic (once or twice weekly )... Thanks Donna |
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Post by Tom Meulman on Sept 28, 2014 6:25:24 GMT 10
Hi Donna,
There is no problem with Tridenosen 2 ml in each back leg at 48 hours before racing and as Foliphos can be given subcutaneous you could use 2 ml under the skin on each side of the neck at 24 hours.
Post race to aid recovery 2 ml of Tridenosen intramuscular may be best, and as far as Vytrate is concerned I see no problems with using that after each run behind the lure.
Cheers,
Tom
P.S. As far as subcutaneous injections are concerned it is of course essential that anything injected under the skin actually finishes up under the skin and not forming a hard lump between the layers of skin that is difficult to get rid of, and in worst case scenarios causes an area of scar tissue.
To ensure that the injection happens safely a good method is to pick up the section of skin over the area that is to be injected, and then while holding the two layers of skin firmly together slide the needle for its full length, as close as possible to your fingers, right through both layers of skin, and then allow the outer layer of skin to slide off the needle.
You will find that the needle is now laying fully under the skin allowing you to inject most quantities up to 3 ml safely.
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Post by dave on Oct 10, 2014 14:35:23 GMT 10
hi tom could you tell me if yourv'e heard of a product call tribulus 20000 as certain leading greyhound trainers are using this to keep bitches off season if so what what are your thoughts on this product as in does it work,what dosage and is it legal as in swabble.
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Post by jason on Oct 10, 2014 14:39:46 GMT 10
hello ive been told that tridenosen is swabable is this true
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Post by Tom Meulman on Oct 10, 2014 19:07:27 GMT 10
hi tom could you tell me if yourv'e heard of a product call tribulus 20000 as certain leading greyhound trainers are using this to keep bitches off season if so what what are your thoughts on this product as in does it work,what dosage and is it legal as in swabble. Hi Dave, I have very little personal knowledge about this particular herb, other than having been told that it is supposed to increase male Testosterone, but it is supposed to do so by directly stimulating male testicals. Therefore it could not possibly have the effect of increasing the level of male hormone in a greyhound bitch, and would do nothing to keep her off season. Is it of any benefit to a male racing greyhound? To date there have been two properly conducted placebo controlled trials of this substance. One with a group of weight lifters, and the other with 24 elite baseball players. After the study was concluded it was found that Tribulus Terrestris did not increase Testosterone nor was it in anyway beneficial in improving muscle bulk or athletic performance. Based on that information I believe that providing this substance to a racing greyhound will do little other than cost you money, and it would not be of any value in keeping a bitch off season, and I can assure you that if it did not benefit human athletes, it will not benefit the canine variety either. Cheers, Tom |
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Post by Tom Meulman on Oct 10, 2014 19:13:45 GMT 10
hello ive been told that tridenosen is swabable is this true Hi Jason, As far as I'm aware there is nothing in Tridenosen that could possibly cause a positive swab, but to be absolutely sure using it at least 48 hours prior to racing will make it perfectly safe. Cheers, Tom |
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Post by Dave on Oct 10, 2014 21:54:18 GMT 10
Thank you very much for opinion I will keep well away from this product. Thanks again.
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Post by steve on Nov 1, 2014 2:31:52 GMT 10
hi tom could you please tell me what you recommend the dosage rate of tripart and foliphos before a race.
regards steve
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Post by Tom Meulman on Nov 1, 2014 9:20:46 GMT 10
hi tom could you please tell me what you recommend the dosage rate of tripart and foliphos before a race. regards steve Hi Steve, I don't actually recommend the use of Tripart before racing because as far as I'm aware it is primarily an intramuscular injection which I'm not keen on too close to a race. It is a great product to aid recovery after a race. However if it is to be used 2 ml in each back leg 48 hours prior to racing with 2 ml of Foliphos under the skin low down on each side of the neck the night before should aid in improving muscle function. Cheers, Tom |
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Post by steve on Nov 2, 2014 6:20:39 GMT 10
hello tom i took your advice and used tridenosen instead of tripart but straight after the i m injection a lump formed on one of the injection sites i rubbed it and about 20 minutes later it subsided what are your thoughts may i have injected the 2mls to quickly because hes in a race tomorrow.
regards
steve
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Post by Tom Meulman on Nov 2, 2014 10:32:16 GMT 10
Hi Steve,
As I have mentioned in several posts I'm not keen on intramuscular injections close to a race because at times things do go wrong.
The three main problems that could occur when intramuscular injections are used are; one the possibility that something, even bacteria, could be punched in through the skin as the needle penetrates the skin causing either an allergic reaction or an infection at the injection site.
That the needle punctures a blood vessel severely enough to cause bleeding within the tissue, or that the intramuscular substance that has been injected weeps back out through the hole made by the needle and finishes up under the skin. This would occur mainly if the needle used was not long enough or not pushed in to it's full length.
From what you have posted it would appear that the injected substance was not injected deep enough, and as you say possibly a little too quickly.
The only other time that a lump comes up under the skin is as a result of a poorly done subcutaneous injection where the substance injected finishes up between the layers of skin instead of under it. Which is why I posted instructions in one of the posts above this one that avoids that problem occurring.
The reason that various injectable substances are marked for intramuscular use only is because when they finish up under the skin an inflammatory reaction can take place that could take several days to clear up, or in worst case scenario could result in a small section of skin damaging severe enough to slouch away and leave a hole that can take weeks to heal.
All you can do is keep a close watch on the injection site and make a judgement closer to race time as to whether or not the end result of the injection is going to affect the race performance as there is not a lot you can do at this point in time to affect the outcome.
Cheers,
Tom
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Post by steve on Nov 2, 2014 10:38:18 GMT 10
cheers tom thank you for your reply
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Post by Tridenosen on Nov 10, 2014 8:44:25 GMT 10
Many fakes of Tridenosen and Mitachondral are available under slightly different names, what color are genuine products of these two?
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Post by Tom Meulman on Nov 10, 2014 15:42:20 GMT 10
Many fakes of Tridenosen and Mitachondral are available under slightly different names, what color are genuine products of these two? Sorry mate but the colors being pale are too difficult to describe, and when it comes to purchasing either product the only real guide you have is that the label states all the correct information, and that it is purchased from a reputable supplier such as a veterinarian clinic. Cheers, Tom |
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Post by tridenosen on Nov 10, 2014 21:44:36 GMT 10
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Post by Tom Meulman on Nov 11, 2014 7:48:05 GMT 10
With the simple to use software programs that are available it is very easy to build a great looking and authentic appearing website, and in that way provide an impressive front to whatever you are trying to con people into buying.
When it comes to injectables buying these online can be fraught with danger as even genuine appearing products with the right name and genuine looking labels can be fakes.
There is no doubt in my mind that many of the veterinary substances are too expensive for what they are, and if you need them, and a less than half price version appears to be available online, the temptation to buy that instead can be very strong.
Unfortunately the problems and dangers associated with these types of products is real and can be very costly, because how can you be absolutely certain as to what they contain? Are you injecting what is on the label, or just colored water. Who do you contact if what you have injected causes an infection at the injection site, kills the animal, or causes a positive swab?
A difficult situation and I can only repeat what I have said earlier, and that is when it comes to injections to only buy from a reputable supplier, such as your Vet, even if it does cost more.
And then be more discerning as to when you use these types of injections, as far too often the benefit gained can be very little.
Cheers,
Tom
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