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Post by Andrew on Nov 25, 2014 12:14:23 GMT 10
Hi Tom,
If for example a young dog pup around 10 months old has 2 of his testicles stuck up in his groin what is the best and worst case scenario? Will he produce if they are out? Will he lose a bit of grunt if they come out? will he have to be on testoprop to keep up his testosterone levels?
Thanks
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Post by Tom Meulman on Nov 25, 2014 19:08:19 GMT 10
Hi Andrew,
If both testicles are not where they should be and are instead located somewhere in the groin region they will have to be surgically removed.
If this is not done there is every chance that one or both of them will cause the dog considerable discomfort during running on a race track, and this does put an end to any possibility of the dog ever becoming a stud dog.
Unfortunately in most instances at 10 months of age it is too late to stretch one or both of them back into the scrotum.
In regard to the need to provide a testosterone supplement be guided by your veterinarian, because if it is required, being a S4, it will have to be supplied or administered by your vet.
Cheers, Tom
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Post by Andrew on Feb 20, 2015 11:02:29 GMT 10
Hey Tom,
It's me again. Just one more question
I have broken in a dog who broke in City Class and he does everything right, jumps well, chases well, gallops in full action and rails fantastic but he does have 1 testie stuck in his groin on the rail side. Would you reccomend me still removing this or should I leave it in if he has had no complications so far? I am scared that removing it might make him less interested in racing and lower testosterone levels.
Your advice would be appreciated.
Cheers
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Post by Tom Meulman on Feb 20, 2015 18:25:27 GMT 10
Hi Andrew,
If you can feel the testicle in the groin and can slightly move it around, it is highly likely that it will have to be surgically removed eventually. The reason being t hat in my experience the testicle tends to enlarge over time, may bruise eventually and cause pain during the hustle and bustle of racing on tight circuits.
However there is no urgency to have this done right now, particularly if the pup is doing everything right. In most situations such as this it's best to see what develops over time as it may never trouble your greyhound. Just keep in mind that if the dog develops problems in holding the rails on tight turn tracks that the testicle should be checked out as a possible cause.
Cheers, Tom
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Post by tas on Feb 21, 2015 0:53:42 GMT 10
hi tom I have 2 3 month old puppies that their testicles are not in their correct place is their anything I can do to solve this problem.
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Post by Tom Meulman on Feb 21, 2015 12:36:28 GMT 10
Hi TAS,
Normally by three months of age the testicles would have descended, and if they have not by four months of age it is unlikely that they will do so naturally.
The only thing you can do at this point in time, providing you can locate the testicles one on each side up high in the groin, is to gently stretch them back down and into the crotum. This can be difficult in some instances as it requires the full cooperation of the pup, and may have to be done several times over a period of two weeks before they stay where they should be.
The other problem is that quite often the testicles may not located in a position that will allow them access to the scrotum, and these will eventually require surgical removal.
It should also be kept in mind that the main cause of undescended testicles is genetic and all that this implies.
Cheers, Tom
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Post by Ray Jones on Mar 30, 2017 17:56:36 GMT 10
Hi Tom,could a trapped testicle cause a dog to move very wide on the bends and could it cause a track leg ? Cheers
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Post by Tom Meulman on Mar 30, 2017 20:39:59 GMT 10
Hi Tom,could a trapped testicle cause a dog to move very wide on the bends and could it cause a track leg ? Cheers Hi Ray, I doubt very much that a trapped testicle could cause such a severe reaction, and if it was happening as a result of a trapped testicle it would have to be large and bruised, or infected. If that was the case you would certainly be able to feel the testicle, and any finger pressure in the area would result in a severe pain reaction. Running very wide on turns more often than not is caused by bone or ligament damage in the wrist, metacarpals, or toe joints/sesamoids. For instance a painful railside toe joint or broken sesamoid can make a dog run wide on the turns as it hurts to lean on that side. At the same time the dog would also be inclined to rotate the wrist to relieve the pressure on the railside toe injury and that rotates the elbow outwards with the result that it then strikes the inside of the hind leg. While I have used that as an example there are other injuries such as a green stick fracture in the railside metacarpal that will have a similar result, but then also does a fractured fibula particularly if it healed with a non union. But then a track leg very often is caused by an injury in the gluteal. Certainly sounds like a very careful examination of both groins, wrists, toes, and hind limb hip muscles and fibulas is required. [edit] I should have included the right hock joint in that list of areas to examine as bone or ligament damage there will certainly make a dog run very wide on the turns, and will certainly cause the dog to place the left hind foot further under the body, and again this could result in a track leg problem. Cheers, Tom
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Post by Ray Jones on Mar 30, 2017 22:26:41 GMT 10
Tom,thanks for your quick reply,I should have added that the track leg is a bit higher up than I've usually experienced,could that have a bearing on the possible injury location,apparently this is a long standing condition that the dog has had since schooling.The retained left testicle is easily felt so it's not trapped deeper inside his body. Cheers Ray
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Post by Tom Meulman on Mar 31, 2017 20:51:40 GMT 10
Hi Ray,
The higher than normal trackleg location still makes me believe that it is the result of the dog rotating the left wrist inward and the elbow out in the process as this action lifts the location of the elbow impact area a fraction higher than what would occur as a result of a damaged left hip muscle. Back to looking for a bone injury somewhere on the left side of the left front leg anywhere from the toe joint to the lower end of the radius and ulna.
In regard to the testicle, if you can easily feel it it should certainly be removed as i have no doubt it would interfere with the dog ability to stride out cleanly on a turn. Also the extra time off this would give the dog could also help to heal any other injuries that may be contributing to the dogs current running action.
Cheers, Tom
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Post by craig on Aug 9, 2018 5:56:10 GMT 10
Hi Tom We have a champion dog by fernando Bale who we would love to stand at stud.Problem is both of his testicles are in his groin region.I know the semen cant survive up there so is there an operation that can be preformed to allow him to produce live semen?
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Post by Tom Meulman on Aug 10, 2018 5:05:49 GMT 10
Hi Tom We have a champion dog by fernando Bale who we would love to stand at stud.Problem is both of his testicles are in his groin region.I know the semen cant survive up there so is there an operation that can be preformed to allow him to produce live semen? Hi Craig, While a surgical solution is available for young human males with that condition it’s not one generally used for canines, mainly due to the fact that this surgery is best done while still a young puppy and the chances of an older dog being fertile after this surgery is very slim. The other problem being that this condition is genetic, and if surgery was successful a percentage of his pups if he had any would inherit this, and if bred with would pass it on again to the next generation. However by all means have a talk with your veterinarian to discus this issue as surgical techniques change all the time and there may be new information in this field that I’m not aware of. Cheers, Tom
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Post by bill on Jun 22, 2019 13:37:36 GMT 10
hi tom would removing one testicle reduce his testosterone levels and not chasing as hard as the pup I have is a very hard chaser
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Post by Tom Meulman on Jun 22, 2019 15:01:58 GMT 10
hi tom would removing one testicle reduce his testosterone levels and not chasing as hard as the pup I have is a very hard chaser Hi Bill, Removing a trapped testicle is highly unlikely to reduce the testosterone levels in the pup and alter its current chasing habits. There have lots of champion hard chasing greyhounds that raced their whole career with only one testicle, and some of those still went on and had a great stud career. Brett Lee being the most outstanding example of that. Cheers, Tom
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